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boehner raised the question. some of the things that the president was asking for i couldn't get through the house anyway. if he can make a deal with the president and it is still painful, even if it's not $1.4 trillion in new revenue can he get it through the house? how much danger is he in for losing the speakership if he doesn't stand firm enough on the president? >> he could be in fair bit of danger here. the question is, if he is willing to get something through the house without a majority of the caucus for. this hastert rule. speaker hastert would never bring something through unless majority of republicans to support it. >> chris: majority of the majority. >> so of course his speakership could be threatened here. one side story of this at least in washington is the majority leader. cantor has been not as front and center in the negotiations at all. is he waiting in the wings to help things out, waiting in the wings to be there if speaker boehner falls? that is an intrigue here. speaker boehner is committe
boehner raised the question. some of the things that the president was asking for i couldn't get through the house anyway. if he can make a deal with the president and it is still painful, even if it's not $1.4 trillion in new revenue can he get it through the house? how much danger is he in for losing the speakership if he doesn't stand firm enough on the president? >> he could be in fair bit of danger here. the question is, if he is willing to get something through the house without a...
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john boehner is meeting with president obama at the white house. we have new signs today that the gop's support is crumbling. and they called it the crime of the century. five young men convicted of a heinous assault in new york's central park. the only problem sfwh they didn't do it. >>> once a juvenile is broken down, you can basically tell him anything. and, you know, they fed me the names. >> my interview with the central park five, a powerful story of injustice and fighting for what's right. you're watching po ining "polit nation" on msnbc. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerew
john boehner is meeting with president obama at the white house. we have new signs today that the gop's support is crumbling. and they called it the crime of the century. five young men convicted of a heinous assault in new york's central park. the only problem sfwh they didn't do it. >>> once a juvenile is broken down, you can basically tell him anything. and, you know, they fed me the names. >> my interview with the central park five, a powerful story of injustice and fighting...
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come up with boehner's plan to cut spending. (laughter) >> a lot of people know that the president and i met on sunday it was a nice meeting, it was cordial but we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make, where are the presidents spending cuts? >> stephen: now critics say the speaker is just asking democrats to put specifics in into the republican proposal but i say that's kind of fun. it makes the budget into a giant mad-lib. for instance, we agree to cut ten be zillion from the program that gives ukuleles to the sticky poor. toilet boom! (cheers and applause) we will have more on this story -- if i have to. (laughter) nation, there's a danger lurking around every corner. that's why i say we must start making all of our buildings round. (laughter) this is the threat down. (cheers and applause) first up, folks, i always keep watch on our international enemies, especially north korea. and their dear leader kim jong-un. in my book he is public enemy number un. (laughter)
come up with boehner's plan to cut spending. (laughter) >> a lot of people know that the president and i met on sunday it was a nice meeting, it was cordial but we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make, where are the presidents spending cuts? >> stephen: now critics say the speaker is just asking democrats to put specifics in into the republican proposal but i say that's kind of fun. it makes the budget into a giant...
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>>reporter: the president and speaker boehner spoke on the telephone phone and speaker boehner would not call it "tense" but said it was straight failure frank discussion of how far apart they are. >> the president is calling if $1.4 trillion in revenue. that cannot pass the house of representatives or the senate. if you look at our budget we have in new revenue in our budget. the president's budget, he had $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue in the budget. >>reporter: the republicans have offered $800 billion in revenue half of what the president wanted but they want to raise it by phasing our tax deductions and closing out loopholes which white house officials say cannot raise enough without hurting the middle class. >>shepard: thank you, wendell. north korea's daring rocket lunch prompted quick reaction from the united states and a lot of allies and they promised an "appropriate response." what would that be? what options does the united states have in dealing with the most rogue nation on the planet? going rogue, live from the state department. >> we could have a political showdow
>>reporter: the president and speaker boehner spoke on the telephone phone and speaker boehner would not call it "tense" but said it was straight failure frank discussion of how far apart they are. >> the president is calling if $1.4 trillion in revenue. that cannot pass the house of representatives or the senate. if you look at our budget we have in new revenue in our budget. the president's budget, he had $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue in the budget....
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boehner's emboldened by that support. but also you know i think they've been swashbuckling insofar as keeping the raucous members or purging them from committee chairs. >> there's definitely been a new message which is that john boehner's the boss and we're not going to deal with insubordination. if you look at that offer, people are saying it's boehner's offer. it's signed by eric cantor. >> and paul wrien. >>> and paul ryan. any leader who the rebels, shall we say, within the republican conference could have, is now aligned with wehner completely. strengths his hand. he's the sole negotiate, whatever he gets from president obama will be the rule of law. and i think what's really emboldened boehner, ironically, mitt romney's loss. it's this idea that john boehner's survived, he's the one who came through. we were able to keep the house. he does get a lot of credit for that among house republican circles, they were able to keep the house. people think -- >> he raised something like 100 million dollars. >> he's the kingmak
boehner's emboldened by that support. but also you know i think they've been swashbuckling insofar as keeping the raucous members or purging them from committee chairs. >> there's definitely been a new message which is that john boehner's the boss and we're not going to deal with insubordination. if you look at that offer, people are saying it's boehner's offer. it's signed by eric cantor. >> and paul wrien. >>> and paul ryan. any leader who the rebels, shall we say, within...
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boehner hasn't come back yet. if boehner offers $1 trillion new revenues can it pass the house? >> andrea: great question. we are sitting around the table sitting about deal that boehner brokers. he has to go back to the members to get the deal through the house. i'm not so sure about it. i know what he won't get through the house, raising taxes. he is not going to get some tax raising compromise together. there is no house member when they know they have to run for re-election every two years, that is going to vote for a tax increase. how would they get through a primary? >> bob: they will vote on cutting taxes on everybody but the 2%. that is politically sellable. >> dana: no. extending the bush tax cuts for everybody. it's not obama's tax cuts. >> bob: you extend it for everybody except for that group of people. >> eric: if they are not -- let me ask you. >> dana: i see. >> eric: will they get -- >> dana: i see what he is saying. it's like when you reduce the rate of growth, you get credit for saying that you cut spending. it's a game. it's a word game. >> bob: keep in mind,
boehner hasn't come back yet. if boehner offers $1 trillion new revenues can it pass the house? >> andrea: great question. we are sitting around the table sitting about deal that boehner brokers. he has to go back to the members to get the deal through the house. i'm not so sure about it. i know what he won't get through the house, raising taxes. he is not going to get some tax raising compromise together. there is no house member when they know they have to run for re-election every two...
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youjohn boehner in the briefing room has a chart. in boehner's words as we've been given excerpts by his staff is spending. the problem is entitlements. that is what's driving the debt. you see that large red portion of that chart that boehner is about to use. you know, the question is, will he have the votes to pass whatever it is he puts on the floor, thomas? and there's an ironclad rule in the house of representatives. and that is, a speaker does not put something on the floor that is not going to pass with the majority of his congress, in this case, republicans, and anything with tax hikes on it as the president is insisting on, whether that gets on the floor or republicans, that's highly questionable. >> is foster friess giving you a little ankle there? >> foster friess, that's a name from the past. >> kristen, let's talk about what the president is able to acquiesce about spending cuts? this about compromise or total victory? >> i think to some extent it's about compromise. but there is no doubt that president obama believes he
youjohn boehner in the briefing room has a chart. in boehner's words as we've been given excerpts by his staff is spending. the problem is entitlements. that is what's driving the debt. you see that large red portion of that chart that boehner is about to use. you know, the question is, will he have the votes to pass whatever it is he puts on the floor, thomas? and there's an ironclad rule in the house of representatives. and that is, a speaker does not put something on the floor that is not...
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seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like we're closer and closer to a deal where rates rise. so conservative republicans will be asked to raise rates, something that's been anath ma to the party and the far right wing. and then you guys are reporting over at politico the next battle is going to be immigration reform. where they're likely to be asked to support what many of them would have sort of offensively and wrongly called amnesty for illegals. isn't there a revolt on the right in the house republican caucus in particular? >> i certainly think that there is possibly some carryover effect of one issue to the next, particularly if the right fe
seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like...
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boehner's office said they're waiting for more details on spenting cuts. liz, why does it matter who gives what details first? what's the game here? >> well, i think what you're saying is whoever gives the details first, the other side is going to have an advantage to either position against those details. you know, the white house during health care debate, for example, was very -- it was, you know, step back and didn't give many details as to what they wanted to do because at the beginning because they didn't want to target on their back. i think this is almost a game of chicken right now. the problem is it's a game of chicken with very, very high stakes. and you've got the white house out there, you know, publicly putting pressure on republicans by sending obama, for example, to michigan but gamt trying to negotiate behind the scenes with boehner. and it's a two-prong strategy that i think carries real risk. >> it's kind of negotiation 101. i mean, the most basic kind of negotiation, you know, don't show your hand if you don't have to. i'm wondering, ma
boehner's office said they're waiting for more details on spenting cuts. liz, why does it matter who gives what details first? what's the game here? >> well, i think what you're saying is whoever gives the details first, the other side is going to have an advantage to either position against those details. you know, the white house during health care debate, for example, was very -- it was, you know, step back and didn't give many details as to what they wanted to do because at the...
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we had a meeting with harry reid and speaker john boehner. the executive board message was as youre dealing with tough decisions that have to be made, to make sure that we don't over the fiscal cliff, don't shift e burden downward. we understand that there is a shared sacrifice. we ask for flexibility when it comes to programs thatre funded by the federal government and federal monies. we needlex ability to be able to determine what is in the best interest of our state. how we can best serve the population. gerri: the truth is the states only have so much flex ability because you have to meet your budget. the federal govement doesn't. but i want to show who is in washington. it was scott walker, gary herbert, mark dayton, jack markell. all the leadership of the governors associatio what kind of response did you get? we are not passing anything onto you guys. >> the president was very cordial and respectful to the governors. and we believe that we have a stake in this process, and he felt like we could offer some ideas of ways that we could he
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aids say john boehner has sent president obama a new counter offer tonight. it's apparently a response to an offer the white house made yesterday. that was one day after the president and the speaker met one on one at the white house. of course three weeks from today automatic tax hikes and spending cuts kick in if they can't come to deal. jim angle is following late developments from our washington newsroom. there have been a lot of them in just the last 30 minutes. >> i will say, shep. the clock, of course, as you indicated is clicking louder. not clear if we had real progress or just movement. president and speaker boehner did talk by phone tonight after white house offer monday and counter offer from boehner about which his office said quote we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our loom being debt crisis and create more miner jobs. the statement also reit raided, however, what speaker boehner and others said earlier today. listen. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spends c
aids say john boehner has sent president obama a new counter offer tonight. it's apparently a response to an offer the white house made yesterday. that was one day after the president and the speaker met one on one at the white house. of course three weeks from today automatic tax hikes and spending cuts kick in if they can't come to deal. jim angle is following late developments from our washington newsroom. there have been a lot of them in just the last 30 minutes. >> i will say, shep....
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boehner has already put on the table a comparable amount of money to be gained from putting a cap on deductions, about 800 billion over ten years, so such a-- >> look, paul, two reasons. first is ideological. his partisans, his liberal base believe this is somehow a symbol of winning the tax fight and you can only do that by raising the rates on the wealthy in the country and they're insistent on that. the other thing the president is interested in, he wants a double deal and wants to raise tax rates and also take the deductions, the closing of tax deductions and upping the ante, he feels if he doesn't give, doesn't demand that, he's looking at a tie of tax revenue down the line. >> paul: he's raised the ante, not 800 billion, but 1.6 trillion. he's got the rest from deductions, but that's a huge revenue hit. >> first, a huge revenue hit, but that's what the president wants. i think what he really wants is tone act the tax rate increases and make them permanent. there's a kind of conventional wisdom that we'll do these things and sometime next year, and even the president says we'll
boehner has already put on the table a comparable amount of money to be gained from putting a cap on deductions, about 800 billion over ten years, so such a-- >> look, paul, two reasons. first is ideological. his partisans, his liberal base believe this is somehow a symbol of winning the tax fight and you can only do that by raising the rates on the wealthy in the country and they're insistent on that. the other thing the president is interested in, he wants a double deal and wants to...
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i've known john boehner for 21 years. he recognizes that the republicans also running for re-election said to their constituents "we will not raise your taxes. we will not do anything in this economic recession to make things worse "." raising the top two rates is going to hit the job creators and i think what john boehner has said, he said this the day after the election, governor, he said we recognize that the elections have consequences, the president won. republicans are willing to give the president most of what he wants, $800 billion somewhere around a trillion of additional revenue. how do we get there. the president wants to increase tax on the wealthy. republicans want to close loopholes. i think we're a lot closer than the president and congressional republicans would lead you to believe. it is a question of how do we get there. >> jennifer: don't you think ron, if they close loopholes now, then they're not going to be able to lower the corporate tax rate -- it depends on which loopholes you close whether person
i've known john boehner for 21 years. he recognizes that the republicans also running for re-election said to their constituents "we will not raise your taxes. we will not do anything in this economic recession to make things worse "." raising the top two rates is going to hit the job creators and i think what john boehner has said, he said this the day after the election, governor, he said we recognize that the elections have consequences, the president won. republicans are...
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that's why most lawmakers are not boxing boehner in. would you go for that? >> i think we have to look at the whole package and as i've said, let's leave everything out here. >> reporter: now, boehner said publicly he is still optimistic about getting a deal done but privately in that meeting with house republicans today, several lawmakers came out and told us that the speaker told them not to make any plans for christmas. wolf? >> does that mean all 435 members of the house, 100 senators are going to be told to stay here during that christmas week leading up to new year's? >> reporter: it is entirely possible. what leaders have done in the past, even as recently as last week, is sent home rank and file members while the leaders stayed and negotiated. but as we get closer to the holidays, it's entirely possible, even maybe probable that they will keep everybody here in case they actually do get a bill and they will be able to pass it fast. we know that when things move, they actually move very quickly and en there's a will to get out of here, particularly as
that's why most lawmakers are not boxing boehner in. would you go for that? >> i think we have to look at the whole package and as i've said, let's leave everything out here. >> reporter: now, boehner said publicly he is still optimistic about getting a deal done but privately in that meeting with house republicans today, several lawmakers came out and told us that the speaker told them not to make any plans for christmas. wolf? >> does that mean all 435 members of the house,...
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boehner wants the rate to stay at 35% or even lower. but what about meeting in the middle? around 37%? listen carefully to the speaker when he was asked today whether that rate could be the answer to this impasse. >> there are a lot of things that are possible. to put the revenue the president seeks on the table. but none of it's going to be possible if the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. >> you hear what he said? a lot of things are possible. that may not sound like much where you're from, but here in washington, it sounds suspiciously like code for we're making progress. more evidence boehner's democratic counterpart house minority leader nancy pelosi also seems to be softening her language as we head into the weekend. listen. >> what we want to do is protect the middle class. so it's not about the rate. it's about the money. >> so is 37 the magic number in this fiscal cliff debate? "outfront," two men who know taxes very well. douglas holtz-ekin, president of the american action forum and robert reich from the university of california
boehner wants the rate to stay at 35% or even lower. but what about meeting in the middle? around 37%? listen carefully to the speaker when he was asked today whether that rate could be the answer to this impasse. >> there are a lot of things that are possible. to put the revenue the president seeks on the table. but none of it's going to be possible if the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. >> you hear what he said? a lot of things are possible....
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senator demint starts about firing speaker boehner on rush limbaugh show. where is this war going? >> well, you do see a real split on the republican side right now between the establishment figures. let's be clear, the power still sits with the tea party more than with the establishment. you've seen this in the picking of the next gubernatorial candidate. and so it's a small number of people who are trying to move away from that ideology and you also see the institutional shift. something like the heritage foundation that used to be a real generator of ideas, taking one of the flat earthers out of the senate to try to come in and be the face of that is not moving in a direction. this is a senator who stood with todd akin after and put his name out there and that's largely been pushed down by the base of the party and of the movement. >> now, joe, when you see senator demint tweeting statements that really ripped speaker boehner's debt talks, he tweeted this, speaker boehner's offer of an $800 billion tax hike will destroy jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more
senator demint starts about firing speaker boehner on rush limbaugh show. where is this war going? >> well, you do see a real split on the republican side right now between the establishment figures. let's be clear, the power still sits with the tea party more than with the establishment. you've seen this in the picking of the next gubernatorial candidate. and so it's a small number of people who are trying to move away from that ideology and you also see the institutional shift....
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we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with so many lawmakers headed home and likely to face the ire of their constituents, we saw one protester in baltimore yesterday over social security. there are a few left. today there's a joint economic committee hearing. they're going to hear from a top economist not only about the jobs numbers coming out tomorrow but also about what can be done to avoid this issue at the end of the year. >> tracie potts for us in washington. thank you. >>> last night on the ed show, steny hoyer explains why he thinks the debt ceiling vote should be taken off the table. >> the debt ceiling is a phone y vote, frankly. and from time to time democrats have made it an item that they demagogue down and the republicans have demagogued on it, as well. the debt limit is a re
we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with so many lawmakers headed home and likely to face the ire of their constituents, we saw one protester in baltimore yesterday over social security. there are a few left. today there's a joint...
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these negotiations are between two men, house speaker john boehner and the president. and once those two men agree, then they will take it to their folks. >> all right. kate balduan, live in washington. thank you. >> thanks, guys. >>> all right, recreational pot is now legal in washington state under a new law which took effect at midnight. adults can possess up to an ounce of marijuana legally. it's still against the law to grow pot or to sell it. but those celebrating the new normal are accentuating the positive. >> it's amazing. i'm not a criminal anymore. i can't go to jail for small amounts of marijuana, you know? it's -- i'm free to be free. >> the new law doesn't allow smoking in public places, just like alcohol, but police in seattle and across the state made an exception for overnight celebrations to ring in this new law. >>> so it's another public relations problem for penn state. the school's kai omega sorority is under investigation for stereotype i stereotyping latinos. pictures showed the sorority members in somberos with fake mustaches with signs that sa
these negotiations are between two men, house speaker john boehner and the president. and once those two men agree, then they will take it to their folks. >> all right. kate balduan, live in washington. thank you. >> thanks, guys. >>> all right, recreational pot is now legal in washington state under a new law which took effect at midnight. adults can possess up to an ounce of marijuana legally. it's still against the law to grow pot or to sell it. but those celebrating the...
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now, what needs to happen to persuade speaker boehner? i mean, do we need to raise lazarus from the dead? >> i don't know what we have to do. the public has clearly spoken. this election showed that people in regard to making less than $250,000 the tax cuts should be extended. we agree on that. we need to let that happen as soon as possible. but they have also said that those who have benefitted and are doing very well in our society should pay more. and so i don't know why they can't get this through their heads, martin. but they need to get it. because the public has spoken and the public has been very clear on that. >> and today former speaker nancy pelosi schooled speaker boehner on what it means to make difficult decisions as a leader. take a listen to this. >> i had to do it as speaker. do you know what it was like for me to bring a bill to floor to fund the war in iraq? so it's tough. but you have to do it. so is the point that you don't want to put your members on the spot, figure it out. we did. figure it out. >> there's nancy pe
now, what needs to happen to persuade speaker boehner? i mean, do we need to raise lazarus from the dead? >> i don't know what we have to do. the public has clearly spoken. this election showed that people in regard to making less than $250,000 the tax cuts should be extended. we agree on that. we need to let that happen as soon as possible. but they have also said that those who have benefitted and are doing very well in our society should pay more. and so i don't know why they can't get...
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only 39% of republicans approve of boehner's handling of it. so it's not like he has the wind to his back. >> that's right. i think that speaks to, really, this is a fractionist party. boehner's is the leader of this house faction, but i think the republican party is very split nationwide and those polls suggest -- and i do think, also, that we're seeing a lot in the public play out. but there's all sorts of private talks going on that we just don't know about. you heard from pelosi today about talks that she had. of what her impressions of where this deal actually is. you heard from jay carney the same thing. they don't want to play this out in public. they don't want to play it out in that way because it might jeopardize a deal later on. on the one hand, you have boehner with a public theater that may not actually be in keeping with what is actually going on behind closed doors. i think both of these men are ultimately going to have to get a deal done. and both of them are thinking about their legacy. they're also thinking about what it's goi
only 39% of republicans approve of boehner's handling of it. so it's not like he has the wind to his back. >> that's right. i think that speaks to, really, this is a fractionist party. boehner's is the leader of this house faction, but i think the republican party is very split nationwide and those polls suggest -- and i do think, also, that we're seeing a lot in the public play out. but there's all sorts of private talks going on that we just don't know about. you heard from pelosi today...
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john boehner has to let rates go up. i think that's right. whether or not it's to 37 or whether or not we raise the threshold from 250 to something like $500,000 at the point we call people rich, that's a possibility. i think the same thing exists on the entitlement side. there are things that president obama laid on the table in the summer of 2011 we keep talking about. democrats really do not like changes to the measure of inflation applied to social security benefits, and they really do not like raising the eligibility age for medicare. so there are other things that happen? can we scale back the generosity of the obama care subsidies? can we start means testing in additional ways in the medicare program? they have to get creative. >> they got it to get creative, zachary. this comes at the busiest time of the year for retailers and businesses. have you noticed any signs at this point that consumers are at all holding back this holiday season fearing we may go over the so-called fiscal cliff? >> there's a lot of news reports on consumers ho
john boehner has to let rates go up. i think that's right. whether or not it's to 37 or whether or not we raise the threshold from 250 to something like $500,000 at the point we call people rich, that's a possibility. i think the same thing exists on the entitlement side. there are things that president obama laid on the table in the summer of 2011 we keep talking about. democrats really do not like changes to the measure of inflation applied to social security benefits, and they really do not...
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in an interview with julianna goldman of bloomberg news obama called the boehner plan quote out of balance. >> i think that we have the potential of getting a deal done, but it's going to require what i talked about during the campaign which is a balanced responsible approach to deficit reduction that can help give businesses certainty and make sure that the country grows. and unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks for example about $800 billion worth of revenues but he says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> rose: and here is the president talking about why it's essential for him that there be tax increases for the most wealthy among us. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the
in an interview with julianna goldman of bloomberg news obama called the boehner plan quote out of balance. >> i think that we have the potential of getting a deal done, but it's going to require what i talked about during the campaign which is a balanced responsible approach to deficit reduction that can help give businesses certainty and make sure that the country grows. and unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks for example about $800 billion...
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the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no leverage. the consequences of doing nothing before the december 31st meeting were worse for them than democrats. they looked into 2013 and maybe found something there. they're threatening again to hold the full credit of the united states hostage. joous lick the debacle of 2011. obama's official position on this is he won't be blackmailed. and he won't -- but this is a dangerous game. if republicans are serious about pulling a repeat of 2011, obama can't ignore them. since it will wreck immediate havoc on the economy. white house wants at the very least a lon
the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no...
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the holdup right now is that speaker boehner took a position the day after the campaign. that said we are willing to bring in revenue and not willing to bring in rates. we have could solve this in a week. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through. >> we have a debt problem out of control. we have to cut spending. i believe we can put revenue on the table. revenues on the table will come from guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. i'll be here. i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> bret: the back and forth today in the fiscal cliff negotiations that aren't really negotiations as they're not sitting in one room. today, the treasury secretary tim geithner said in an interview that there is a little bit of progress. but yes, the white house would, "absolutely go over the fiscal cliff" if the republicans woul
the holdup right now is that speaker boehner took a position the day after the campaign. that said we are willing to bring in revenue and not willing to bring in rates. we have could solve this in a week. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through. >> we have a debt problem out of control. we have to cut spending. i believe we can put revenue on the table. revenues on the table will come from guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and...
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december 11th, including new indications that talks may be picking up between president obama and john boehner about the fiscal cliff. >>> also massive protests planned today in egypt and follow-up on the clashes between activists and the military as they call for a million man march. >>> but first let's get to the news here live at 30 rock in new york city. >>> this morning thousands of people are expected to converge on the michigan state capital in lansing as apartment of a troeshlg union battle that's about to unfold. at issue, the so called "right to work." legislation is being pushed through the republican lawmakers that could come to a final vote as early as today. the law would might illegal to require an employee to pay union dues as a condition of their employment. opponents say the legislation threatens to weaken the influence of labor unions in a state that is home to the auto industry and has a long history of organized labor. during a visit to detroit yesterday where he intendeded to focus on the fiscal clivgs president obama waded head first into the union battle. >> what we sho
december 11th, including new indications that talks may be picking up between president obama and john boehner about the fiscal cliff. >>> also massive protests planned today in egypt and follow-up on the clashes between activists and the military as they call for a million man march. >>> but first let's get to the news here live at 30 rock in new york city. >>> this morning thousands of people are expected to converge on the michigan state capital in lansing as...
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boehner then responded, saying, "i've sent the president our proposal. if he doesn't like our plan, he should come back with a plan of his own." obama responded to that saying, "maybe i will." [ laughter ] which boehner replied, "maybe i will." and mr. obama replied "whatever." mr. boehner replied "whatever times infinity," to which obama replied, "damn, infinity. you win for now." >>> if only it were that simple. well, it is 12/12/12, and over a dozen superstars will be getting together for this huge sandy relief concert. this will be massive and will be broadcast to over 2 billion homes worldwide, making it the most widely distributed music event in history. the lineup just as huge -- bon jovi, kanye west, paul mccartney, bruce springsteen, many, many more. it's going to be pretty incredible. >>> so, in absolutely shocking news -- i know you'll be floored about this one, dylan -- a reality series is being sued for staging events, allegedly, in the show. ame's "storage wars" is accused of planting valuable and unusual items on the show. a former cast me
boehner then responded, saying, "i've sent the president our proposal. if he doesn't like our plan, he should come back with a plan of his own." obama responded to that saying, "maybe i will." [ laughter ] which boehner replied, "maybe i will." and mr. obama replied "whatever." mr. boehner replied "whatever times infinity," to which obama replied, "damn, infinity. you win for now." >>> if only it were that simple. well, it is...
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ladies and gentlemen, the honorable john boehner. [applause] >> well, steve, let me just say thanks to you and your team and the architect's office and the grounds crew have done a great job inputting this together. and let me thank the colorado delegation for being here. i would take credit for the weather. [laughter] >> but i thought the senators would do it before i did. [laughter] >> lindsay, great job and i'm glad we have nice weather so you could wear that pretty dress without having to put a big overcoat on it. let me say thank you to all of you here tonight. this great spruce has traveled many miles. thanks to ben and his partner who brought the tree from colorado here. it's christmastime and it's the splendor of this tree calls to mind the star of bethlehem and the chance of the angels announcing a humble birth in a manger. the birth of christ fulfilled, the prophecy of salvation and giving a weary world a chance to rejoice and we will bring light to the tree that flour issues as a symbol of everlasting life. this tree will
ladies and gentlemen, the honorable john boehner. [applause] >> well, steve, let me just say thanks to you and your team and the architect's office and the grounds crew have done a great job inputting this together. and let me thank the colorado delegation for being here. i would take credit for the weather. [laughter] >> but i thought the senators would do it before i did. [laughter] >> lindsay, great job and i'm glad we have nice weather so you could wear that pretty dress...
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and john boehner is getting squeezed from both sides. now on the right he's taking heat over his propoesal that would raise $800 billion in revenue closing loopholes. on the left the white house won't talk to him until he agrees to raise rates. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell didn't support speaker boehner's plan. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along, and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> i want to bring in "time" magazine's assistant editor and "national journal"'s chris freitz. does this come down to john boehner and what he's willing to do? >> i think what we've been seeing for the last few months, the ideological struggle within the republican party. you've seen some moderate voices stepping up saying let's make a compromise but you have a house that's intransigent. i think bainer is in charge at the end of the day but he's got to wait, marshall the forces and have people coming to him and i hope this doe
and john boehner is getting squeezed from both sides. now on the right he's taking heat over his propoesal that would raise $800 billion in revenue closing loopholes. on the left the white house won't talk to him until he agrees to raise rates. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell didn't support speaker boehner's plan. >> i have no particular observation other than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along, and getting to a point where hopefully we...
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it to boehner and obama to make a deal. though boehner spokesman michael steele tells us this morning if we're going to solve this problem every congressional leader and more importantly the white house have all important roles to play. the fact is we've heard this same thing. and that is that pelosi and the senate leaders are not in the room at first. they'll be brought in when boehner and the white house are close. mann while, back to the debt ceiling. the new republicans' main point of leverage n. a rare misstep, mcconnell may have taken some of that leverage away in a move that ended with mcconnell filibustering himself. the president doesn't have enough democratic support, mcconnell moved to vote to permanently give the president the rate to approve the debt ceiling. reid shocked mcconnell by calling the idea of having that vote a positive development. forcing him to reject a vote he had called for himself. >> is there objection? >> reserving the right to object, matters of this controversy -- what we're talking about
it to boehner and obama to make a deal. though boehner spokesman michael steele tells us this morning if we're going to solve this problem every congressional leader and more importantly the white house have all important roles to play. the fact is we've heard this same thing. and that is that pelosi and the senate leaders are not in the room at first. they'll be brought in when boehner and the white house are close. mann while, back to the debt ceiling. the new republicans' main point of...
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john boehner, though, has been really pushing back. he had the news conference yesterday and this is what he said. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change the conversation from taxes to cuts. what do they want? >> well, they want entitlement reform and what we've seen is that the white house has moved a little bit. the president seems to be open to some form of entitlement reform, maybe not what john boehner wants, but they have said in the last couple of days that they will do corporate tax reform. so we are seeing some movement from the white house, but nothing yet from the house republicans. >> all right. john boehner just came to the microphone. he's just met with his caucus. let's see if he has anything new
john boehner, though, has been really pushing back. he had the news conference yesterday and this is what he said. >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> so obviously, republicans are trying to change...
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we have mcconnell and we have boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? who is the quarterback? >> there's some confusion about who the quarterback is on the republican side. that is, of course, quite common when you don't have the white house, but there's no doubt about who the quarterback is on the democratic side. the quarterback on the democratic side is the president of the united states. and unfortunately, he keeps throwing interceptions, and we're moving backward and backward and backward towards the goal line. >> i have a headache. >> should they not be talking about football? yeah. >> it's not working. new york jets owner woody johnson, of course -- >> woody! >> a mitt romney guy. >> yeah, woody. >> that was a cringer. harry reid, come on now. >> it's not right for harry reid to kick the jets around. that's a cheap shot. we can do it. you can't. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, you just saw him there talking on the floor, he actually found himself, well, in unusual territory thursday. he actually had to filibuster himself. >> no, no, he ca
we have mcconnell and we have boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? who is the quarterback? >> there's some confusion about who the quarterback is on the republican side. that is, of course, quite common when you don't have the white house, but there's no doubt about who the quarterback is on the democratic side. the quarterback on the democratic side is the president of the united states. and unfortunately, he keeps throwing interceptions, and we're moving backward and backward...
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he says then -- seems to be where boehner is now. raise tax revenue capping deductions, limiting loopholes, not raising tax rates. >> if you listen to the president's entire statement he said as part of a larger tax reform proposal. the fact is you can't get the revenues that are necessary simply by eliminating deductions, unless you want to whack the middle class, and that's not something we can afford to do now. let's also make the point, wolf, that everyone in america will benefit if we extend the tax cuts for, incomes under $250,000. you get the tax cut the first $250,000. but if we're going to deal with the debt problem, we have to do it in a balanced way. raising rates is part of what we need to do. >> one of the things republicans would tell you, when we created the bush tax cuts for everyone, including the wealthy, government revenues went up from 1.8 trillion to 2.5 trillion. >> 2001 and 2003? >> over a four-year period after bush tax cuts were put in place. why not stay with that, keep the economy growing. that's $700 billi
he says then -- seems to be where boehner is now. raise tax revenue capping deductions, limiting loopholes, not raising tax rates. >> if you listen to the president's entire statement he said as part of a larger tax reform proposal. the fact is you can't get the revenues that are necessary simply by eliminating deductions, unless you want to whack the middle class, and that's not something we can afford to do now. let's also make the point, wolf, that everyone in america will benefit if...
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>>> president and speaker boehner agreed that loose lips sink ships until today. it is tuesday, december 11th, and this is "now." >>> joining us today political analyst and washington bureau chief for more jones david korn and communications director and an msnbc political analyst karen finish where i politico executive editor jim van dehigh, and chief national correspondent for the morning times magazine mark rubavich. >>> over at the white house president obama has no public events scheduled. meanwhile, over in michigan thousands of union members and supporters are protesting at the state capitol building in lancing. the state, which is the heart of the united autoworkers and ground zero for union rights is poised to sign a major anti-labor bill into law today. the president weighed in on that, speaking yesterday in redford. >> these right to work clause, they don't have anything with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. america is not going to compete based on low
>>> president and speaker boehner agreed that loose lips sink ships until today. it is tuesday, december 11th, and this is "now." >>> joining us today political analyst and washington bureau chief for more jones david korn and communications director and an msnbc political analyst karen finish where i politico executive editor jim van dehigh, and chief national correspondent for the morning times magazine mark rubavich. >>> over at the white house president...
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. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with steve israel. jeff sessions, sandy levin, rahm emanuel and businessman javier paolomarez, ed burns, frankie monday easy, and chuck leavell. "starting point" begins right now. welcome, everybody. "starting point" this morning, angry, united. bracing for protests in michigan as the state is poised to become the most unionized right to work state. as many as 10,000 unionized workers expected at the state capitol to voice their disapproval of the measure. some of them teachers, two detroit area school districts shut down for the day as hundreds of teachers plan to join the protest. president obama brought it up during a
. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with...
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john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share a seat. dent even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john. >> they took my milk and threw it in the garbage. >> "early start" continues right now. >>> i'm so devastated for them. i'm really feeling for them. >> breaking radio silence. two deejays talk about the family of the nurse who took her own life after getting duped by their prank call. >>> top secret rescue mission. an american saved in afghanistan but at a heavy price. >> look who's talking. president obama and john boehner finally get together a little more than three weeks before we hit the fiscal cliff. good morning, everyone. welcome to "early start." i'm john berman. >> it's so night to you have back, john. it's 6:00 a.m. in the east. let's get started. the two men who stand between all of us and the fiscal cliff are finally speaking face-to-face. president obama and house speaker john boehner actually looked into each other's eyes yesterday and they talk
john boehner sitting by himself. all alone. not a single member of his party willing to share a seat. dent even have any milk to drink because, well, tell them why, john. >> they took my milk and threw it in the garbage. >> "early start" continues right now. >>> i'm so devastated for them. i'm really feeling for them. >> breaking radio silence. two deejays talk about the family of the nurse who took her own life after getting duped by their prank call....
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jon: to the fiscal cliffhanger on capitol hill as the president and house speaker boehner say they're keeping open the lines of communication one day after meeting to discuss the ongoing negotiations aimed at stopping the combination of automatic tax increases and spending cuts set to kick in less than four weeks from now. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill for us. three weeks from the end of the year, mike. any signs of progress? >> reporter: jon, it is hard to tell we know the president and the speaker of the house met privately yesterday and as we mentioned both sides say the lines of communication are open but they are not giving out any details of what was discussed or any readout of the meeting. that may be a good sign. the previous meeting was on camera. this one face-to-face privately at the white house and so perhaps they had a chance to roll up their sleeves and get into some of the tough details in terms of finding a deal on the fiscal cliff. this morning a leading republican said any deal should include the major drivers of our debt. >> the
jon: to the fiscal cliffhanger on capitol hill as the president and house speaker boehner say they're keeping open the lines of communication one day after meeting to discuss the ongoing negotiations aimed at stopping the combination of automatic tax increases and spending cuts set to kick in less than four weeks from now. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill for us. three weeks from the end of the year, mike. any signs of progress? >> reporter: jon, it is...